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Roger Fans’ meeting: 07/23/2023
Posted by Irena:
Sunday, July 23, 2023 6:00 am (California Time)
We are a small group of friends, interested in nonduality.
Join us this Sunday, 9AM (EST, New York Time).
We will be basing the discussion
around one of Roger’s Satsangs (see YouTube link below.)
Feel free to share this link and invite others that are
interested in Roger’s teaching framework.
Hope to see you there.
Peace,
Irena
Live Satsang with Roger July 15, 2023
ChatGPT (unedited/raw):
Summary 1
The next set of songs will be on August 5th, 6th, or 7th. I’ll post the next the dates for the next set songs in August on the website.
Summary 2
Buddhism is a way of seeing life that sees everything as separate and independent. Everything that takes place in life is taking place within life, and nothing is separate from life. everything is interdependent with life. This is why it’s called ignorance in the Buddhist philosophy misunderstanding in Adviter.
Summary 3
Psychological self starts forming at around the age of two. It’s our idea of our self. Not an idea that we have created, but rather something that has developed. And we move through life and respond and have a life experience.
Summary 4
Ramesh asked his guru, what will I have after enlightenment that I don’t have before? He said he could see the guru getting angry like what an impertinent question. Ramesh wanted to know that question so that it could become the basis of his deductive reasoning as part of the seeking.
Summary 5
YouTube presenter says he’s driven to find out answers to these questions. In the 10 or 15 videos I saw, what became clear is no one has any answers. He never once really says why he’s interested in this.
Summary 6
Psychological self attached to outcomes thinks that its happiness is to be found in the external by gaining things. So we might be seeking knowledge, thinking that If I become more intelligent, if I understand more. And it might be that very movement that is reinforcing the psychological me.
Summary 7
The me refers to a conceptual sense of self that has been put in place. It doesn’t see things clearly, and it is prone to feeling vulnerable and feeling uncomfortable in life. Peace of mind means essentially the absence of the me.
Summary 8
Pride is a self love on the same basis, which is unfortunately misguided, that I am in control of the things that didn’t go so well or I should be in control. And so that becomes their layers of this psychological self, this belief in personal dealership.
Summary 9
the concepts are there to help us up to to to point to to keep pointing so that it can be seen. So a door opens up, essentially. And we come to appreciate an aspect of our self that was hidden.
Summary 10
There isn’t a doer that can help it doing the thinking, but rather thinking happens obsessively thinking when the psychological me is in place. A lot of that thinking is complaining, judging, regretting, worrying, expecting, blaming. and it’s a superfluous movement of thought that really isn’t needed.
Summary 11
The true self that has been forgotten is that which is aware of everything that is happening. The body, the intellect, the movement of emotions, and feelings of hunger, tiredness are happening, not how we’re doing.
Summary 12
The true self becomes identified with that which it is not. True witnessing is silent. And it’s direct. When it starts to happen, we wonder why didn’t this why was this so hidden?
Summary 13
The key components that I’ve been speaking about today are the intellect, which is a subset of the body mind organism related to the brain. The intellect has 2 subsets, the working mind and the thinking mind. The working mind understands how to work out how much money to take on a holiday works out when to call a taxi to catch the plane on time.
Summary 14
There can be an inter interplay between the intellect and the body mind. We learn how to tie our shoelaces, how to wash ourself. and then that plays out. And those movements happen automatically even the thinking that seems like my thinking is just happening.
Summary 15
Ramesh Sastri: The most effective way of realizing when we hear what to someone who is not a seeker is very radical and, in fact, sounds fantastical and even, you know, unrealistic.
Summary 16
Even after that realization, until death happens, until physical death of the body happens, Consciousness of source will always be identified with that body. So he would he’d say that take Ramena or Jesus or any sage And after enlightenment, they will still answer to their name.
Summary 17
Francois: So my question is kinda 2 fold. I’ll start with the first part. We will feel like we are formless awareness. There will be a sense of oneness and a sense that we are not the person. We then find ourselves as a human being again in an integrated sense.
Summary 18
Do you have those kinds of movements still where like your mind will be saying stupid stuff, do you just ignore it or like do you even have that stuff still come up? I I think to address the question first, It it let let me just say that some some thinking about, let’s say, money or relationship is is fine, and it might not be the thinking mind. It could be the working mind. But if it spirals into essentially attachment to it happening. And if it’s not happening, then it starts to to just continue to to create uncomfortableness.
Summary 19
In advita, it’s those are called the some scars. When the subscribers have burnt away, then that movement of thought will just stop happening altogether. So if we bring in this distinction between discernment and judgment, And once again, if you listen to someone else, use the word judgment as discernment.
Summary 20
Rajvind Singh: In the case of a sage that understands, the fact that They might describe the absence of guilt doesn’t mean the. absence of having learned something. The the point is that not feeling guilt, which really means to understand that, yes, this is how it happened.
Summary 21
Roger and Daniella are preparing to fly out to Europe this week for a trip to Europe. Roger has been working on his back and his shoulders, and then it gets hard to sleep. But when he was at your retreat, none of this happened.
Summary 22
that can lead to these contractions because when the the psychological self isn’t relaxed, it feels attacked by life. So if you can see that often that these physical ailments are linked to misunderstanding, you might start to find some movements, some techniques.
Summary 23
Richard Dawkins: Consciousness is happening through our body mind organism. We are conscious human beings. The first we become conscious of the consciousness of the human being. Then we might become it might shift into a consciousness that it transcends the body.
(Suggestion: if a specific insight comes
while listening to the Satsang, write it down
so you can have it available for sharing with the group.)
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